Wednesday, May 13, 2009

Season 5, Episode 12- The Incident (Season Finale)

I am not sure how I'm gonna spend the hiatus. it's truly depressing and that episode was a mind fuck!! And we have to wait til 2010.. ARGH!!

- Jacob eating fish.. fish is biblical. The fish Jacob was eating in the beginning was the same fish Jin fed to Claire when Aaron first moved. This could support the theory that Aaron is Jacob. Also, Ben is a Pisces. Interesting original Jacob looked like this:


- I think the dude in the black shirt on the beach is Magnus Hanso, relative of Alvar. Magnus/Magnet. The name "Magnus Hanso" is equal to "The Great Hanso," or "Hanso the Great."
* Magnus was the most popular baby name for boys in Denmark in 2005.
* "Magnus" is a Latin word for "great," "large," "big," "very," "very much," "important," etc.
* Is the Latin form of the Dutch surname "de Groot" (both meaning "The Great").
* Albertus Magnus was a German philosopher and theologian.
* Magnus was one of the greatest alchemists of all time, and was also the discoverer of the legendary "Philosopher's Stone" (which could allegedly be combined with certain metals to create a youth-preserving elixir; that would make its general objective similar to that of the Life Extension Project) and the creator of a supernatural device, an automaton which he named "Android." Using the "angels from the netherworld" and the powers of the Philosopher's Stone, he created "metals and material unknown to this world" and chose them "according to the stars and planets." This "android" was instilled with the powers of speech, thought, and according to some reports, a soul. Upon completion of this project, his student St. Thomas Aquinas destroyed the "diabolic being" and denounced it as "a tool of Satan and a blasphemy to God."
* The "android" could be linked to the Security System.
* Magnus, alias Magnus Lehnsherr, is a member of the Exiles, a group of alternate reality X-Men from the Marvel comic of the same name.
* One of his superpowers is the control of electromagnetic energy.

- Interesting we always hear Patsy Cline when we see Kate in the past. Patsy Cline died in a plane crash at the age of 30. Kate is probably around age 30 (especially since she had a New Kids on the Block lunchbox).

- Guy on the sub told Sawyer "see you on the other side" which Desmond always said. Sawyer wanted to drink his oj and let it be. reminded me of jonestown massacre.

- Dude working on electromagnetic field's name was Edison and he told Pierre Chang he came to change the world.

- What is Lapidus a candidate for?

- Jacob saw Sawyer and Kate as young kids.. but not Jack, Locke or Hurley or Sayid.

- Sayid said "hide in plain sight" you can't hide in plain sight. He get shot doing so. I don't think Sayid will die. If he does, I'll die.

- The people that go out of the way to tell you they are the good guys are the bad guys.

-Juliet was holding her belly. I think she was pregnant. I think she was changing her mind about staying on the island because she was pregnant.. but then she helped give birth to Ethan so maybe she realized she could give birth on the island.

- Rose & Bernard. It looked like Bernard aged & Rose didn't at all. They were very Adam & Eve. Rose & Bernard just wanted to be together and ultimately that's what Sawyer & Juliette wanted. Sawyer kept saying he had a good life here. It was good to see Vincent again!

- Jacob said help me twice (once in the cabin when he whispered and once to Ilana who he was speaking Russian too). Jacob needed Ilana to bring the box with Locke back so that he knew Locke would really be dead so when he came into the confrontation with the clone from the beach he'd know it wasn't really him. Also, Ilana really does look like Ana Lucia, she could be a relative of hers.

- Flannery O'Conner book- "Everything That Rises Must Converge". The book cover on Lost was a dove (religious/Holy Spirit) with an arrow in it. Bernard said they escaped flaming arrows. One of the short stories is entitled "Revelation" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation_(short_story) Also she based her book on the theory by Teilhard. He studied what he called the rise of spirit, or evolution of consciousness, in the universe. He believed it to be observable and verifiable in a simple law he called the Law of Complexity/Consciousness. This law simply states that there is an inherent compulsion in matter to arrange itself in more complex groupings, exhibiting higher levels of consciousness. The more complex the matter, the more conscious it is. Teilhard proposed that this is a better way to describe the evolution of life on earth, rather than Herbert Spencer's "survival of the fittest." The universe, he argued, strives towards higher consciousness, and does so by arranging itself into more complex structures.

- LOVE that Jin said Jacob's korean was excellent.. a definite jab at how well his English has become!

- The "12345 surgery" is the story Jack told Kate when he first met her. Jacob told Jack he needed a little push (or more like a kick in the balls!)

- Kate had blood on her hands when she was helping Jack.

-Juliet said "live together die alone"- she never heard anyone say this ever.. we all knew she was gonna go.. she had a red shirt on! it was still very sad, but she knew her fate.

- The Arc Of The Covenant is a sacred container which people believe holds the Ten Commandments and Aaron's Rod.(jesus stick- mr eko!) The rod would be a natural symbol of authority, as the tool used by the shepherd to correct and guide his flock. The way the box was being carried by Ilana's group resembled this. Moses led his people on the Exodus which fake Locke did to Jacob.


- The Latin translation for what Richard answers lies beneath the shadow of the status is "he who will save us all"

- Good Vs Evil- both bad Locke & Jacob had shaded faces, Ben's was exposed. This resembled Jesus, Abraham, Moses who questioned God as Ben did and tested his faith. Jacob couldn't reply with a good enough reason for Ben to trust him (also fake Locke/the devil knew to use Ben as a pawn as Ben so often did with Locke) which further upset Ben so he stabbed him. Also Jacob mentioned the loom- made a curtain, the man behind the curtain.

- Milton's story contains two arcs: one of Satan (Lucifer) and another of Adam and Eve. The story of Satan continues the epic convention of large-scale warfare. It begins after Satan and the other rebel angels have been defeated and cast down by God into Hell, or as it is also called in the poem, Tartarus. In Pandæmonium, Satan must employ his rhetorical ability to organize his followers; he is aided by his lieutenants Mammon and Beelzebub. Belial and Moloch are also present. At the end of the debate, Satan nominates himself to poison the newly-created Earth. He braves the dangers of the Abyss alone in a manner reminiscent of Odysseus or Aeneas.

- Who's coming? The Losties?

- Things aren't going to bode well for Sawyer. He's going to blame Jack for The Incident and taking Juliet away from him! And here we go with the love triangle again.. ugh.

- LOVED the white background with the black letters.. looked like the nuclear holocaust which it was!


RIP Juliet.
RIP Pierre Chang's arm.

18 comments:

gryphta said...

The guy who said he's going to change the world is named Stuart Radzinsky. He ends up manning the post pushing the button every 108 minutes until he goes crazy and blows his brains out...

DouG said...

So did bad locke control the smoke monster to tell ben to kill jacob? is bad locke really the smoke monster in human form (like ben's daughter)

ali said...

btw i think the incident is going to fast fwd them to the plane ride. they said it all goes back to the pilot episode!

ali said...

Earlier in the episode, Sawyer mentioned that it was July 1977 — the same month of the legendary, panic-inducing New York City blackout.

DCee said...

Richard's eyes were really red when he pulled the gun on Sayid and Doc.

And why does fake Locke think stabbing Jacob will kill him when Jacob doesn't age? I guess we'll find out in 2010....aaargh!

Anonymous said...

chaly

Mummy said...

I think the incident triggers everyone back on the plane as if nothing happens. Kate & Jack will wind up together because they are supposed to. Kate will get off on her trial because it was self defense. Maybe Sawyer winds up back with his baby mama since Juliet is dead and wasn't on the plane. I don't know- I like to see a happy ending and look through everything through rose tinted trifocols.

Anonymous said...

My working theory about Lost is this:

The island is the home of the Creator (Jacob) and the Destroyer (Abaddon = means Destruction/Destroyer). Jacob sits on his throne (the statue) and draws people to the island. Abbadon says to Jacob about the ship "I don't have to ask, you brought them here".

Jacob and Abbadon play out a timeless game of good vs evil, light vs darkness by proxy. They cannot fight directly, so they use humans as their pawns in the game. Remember how Ben and Charles seem to not be able to engage directly either (or Ben would have killed him when he visited him). Are they angels of some sort?

But there is a loophole. If the Destroyer (or devil) can get man to kill god, then he can rule the kingdom/island alone. On the beach the black shirted Abaddon says to Jacob it's always the same, "they come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt, it always ends the same," as though they have played out this game forever, with the same outcome. Jacob says "it only ends once, anything before that is progress." End of the world/Armageddon?

Abaddon has fooled Ben into thinking he is Locke and got him to kill Jacob. That is the loophole.

Here are a few interesting bible commentaries and passages I read:

http://www.bible-scripture.com/good-vs-evil.html:

The Lord sits on is Throne and watches us here on earth. In a sense, it’s a gigantic contest between good vs evil. The Creator permits Satan and his fallen angels a limited amount of power (Rev. 9:11). The Devil uses this power to try to keep people away from God. The Lord uses our testing of good vs evil to draw us towards him (James 1:2–4).

King James bible:
Rev. 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30852/eVerseID/30852

Abaddon means "destruction" and Apollyon means "destroyer." A destroying spirit has deceived mankind. Because man is deceived, he does not realize that he has been the dupe of a destroying spirit.

Thus mankind, with these awesome, somewhat godlike powers and intellect, uses them to destroy, to maim, to sear, to rape, to exploit. It happens on a massive scale. It also happens in individual relationships with one another. It is not confined to the great and mighty things, which are only an accumulation of small things allowed to become big.

This destroying, deceiving spirit, through his minions, the demons, is able to deal with us on an individual basis. He can deceive us into using our powers to go counter to what God intended, to what God instructed all the way back in the Garden of Eden.

ali said...

fyi- here's the convo btwn jacob and the bad guy:

GRAY-HAIRED MAN: Morning.

BLOND MAN: Mornin’.

GRAY-HAIRED MAN: Mind if I join you?

BLOND MAN: [Shaking his head] Please. Want some fish?

GRAY-HAIRED MAN: Thank you. I just ate.

[The gray-haired man sits down not far away.]

BLOND MAN: I take it you’re here ’cause of the ship.

GRAY-HAIRED MAN: I am. How did they find the Island?

BLOND MAN: You’ll have to ask ‘em when they get here.

GRAY-HAIRED MAN: I don’t have to ask. You brought them here. Still trying to prove me wrong, aren’t you?

BLOND MAN: You are wrong.

GRAY-HAIRED MAN: Am I? They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.

BLOND MAN: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.

[The gray-haired man stares at his compatriot.]

GRAY-HAIRED MAN: Do you have any idea how badly I wanna kill you?

BLOND MAN: Yes.

GRAY-HAIRED MAN: One of these days, sooner or later… I’m going to find a loophole, my friend.

BLOND MAN: Well, when you do, I’ll be right here.

GRAY-HAIRED MAN: Always nice talking to you, Jacob.

JACOB: Nice talking to you, too.

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