everyone check out lostisagame.com!!!! i was telling ali that the whole light vs dark, locke playing walt on the beach (season 1?)what color was he then? tonite he was dark...evil?
"Two players. Two sides. One is light. One is dark." Locke S1E2
Locke handed Ben VALIS by Philip K. Dick- look it up!
The Other List: The Sayid episode established that Ben's got this list of bad people that need executing. What can you say about these people?
CUSE: We'll know by the end of the season that there will be two alternative explanations for why Oceanic 815 is in the trench at the bottom of the ocean. It will not be clear which story one should believe. [To be clear, Cuse is saying the mystery of Ben's list is linked to this wreckage.]
LINDELOF: Both stories will be presented and both stories will have legitimate facts presented on their behalves.
CUSE: The act of taking a plane, filling it with dead bodies and putting it at the bottom of the ocean connotes a group that is pretty freakin' powerful. You should be worried about the people involved in either scenario capable of doing something like that.
What was the album cover w/ the hippies (S 1 or 2?)? Does anyone remember? I think the producers are ref'ing to it below!!!!!!!!!:
For the record, is the official lingo here ''the freighter folk''?
LINDELOF: I like ''freighter folk'' because you wonder if there's an album cover out there somewhere with all of them, and they have the Mamas and the Papas outfits on.
CUSE: ''Freighter folk'' is more benign. And they're not the only people on that freighter. You're going to meet some other people on the freighter who have another name, and in contrast to those folks these freighter folk are very...uh, folkish.
Seychelles (pronounced /seɪˈʃɛl/ or /seɪˈʃɛlz/ ["say shells"] in English and IPA: [seʃɛl] in French), officially the Republic of Seychelles (French: République des Seychelles; Creole: Repiblik Sesel), is an archipelago nation of 155 islands in the Indian Ocean, some 1,500 kilometres (930 mi) east of mainland Africa, northeast of the island of Madagascar. Other nearby island countries and territories include Zanzibar to the west, Mauritius and Réunion to the south, Comoros and Mayotte to the southwest, and the Suvadives of the Maldives to the northeast. Seychelles has the smallest population of any sovereign state of Africa.
As of 1992, some ninety percent of the population was Roman Catholic and approximately seven percent Anglican. Although clergy and civil authorities disapprove, many Seychellois see little inconsistency between their orthodox religious observance and belief in magic, witchcraft, and sorcery.
"Charlotte Lewis was an obvious reference to C.S. Lewis and an important clue to places we're going at the end of the season.
CARLTON CUSE: And an important clue to Charlotte's own, as-yet-untold important backstory."
CS Lewis, Narnia, Kids in a strange world who go through a portal right? Dont they go back later as adults?
I think Charlotte Lewis was on the island before as a child, her parents might have been part of Dharma. This explains her interest in Dharma and the island....as well as Miles!
also very important- prod's also mentioned "god of wheat" in an interview for EW mag- very important- google book it (a book, miracles, by cs lewis, um hello!) and read page 184 on!!!!! insane!!!!
Dagon was a major northwest Semitic god, reportedly of grain and agriculture. He was worshipped by the early Amorites and by the inhabitants of the cities of Ebla and Ugarit (which was an ancient city near the Mediterranean containing a large variety of ancient writings and pagan shrines). In Ugaritic, the root dgn also means grain: in Hebrew dāgān, Samaritan dīgan, is an archaic word for grain (hello wheat!!)
there was mentioned a game- lost magic......read it!
also ref'd was dogon-They have a "twin cult" (2 eggs mentioned tonight?!?!?!): the birth of twins is a sign of good luck. The enlarged Dogon families have cult rituals during which they evoke all their ancestors till their origin, the ancient pair of twins from the creation of the world myth.
According to Robert Temple, the central element of Dogon cosmogony and cosmology is the star Sirius, which they call Po Tolo. This star was the seed of the Milky Way galaxy and is the "navel" of the entire universe. The Dogon describe the universe as "infinite, but measurable", and filled with many yalu ulo, or spiral star systems, including the one containing the Earth's sun. According to the Dogon perception of the universe, most of the universe is part of the "external" star system, while nearer to Earth is the "internal" star system. The stars in the "internal" system include many that they claim affect the lives of people of Earth and play a part in human history, including not only the Sirius star system, but also Orion, Pleiades and others.
An ethnic group that lives near the Dogon, the Bozo, have a similar mythology about Sirius in the sky and refer to it as the "Eye Star".(OH MY GOD!!!!!!!)
Sirius is also known colloquially as the "Dog Star"(um yeah hello Vinnie!), reflecting its prominence in its constellation, Canis Major (English: Big Dog).[15] It is the subject of more mythological and folkloric tales than any other star apart from the sun. The heliacal rising of Sirius marked the flooding of the Nile in Ancient Egypt and the 'Dog Days' of summer for the Ancient Greeks, while to the Polynesians it marked winter and was an important star for navigation around the Pacific Ocean.(I swear too insane!!!!!! remember folks- all from "God of Wheat in an interview!!!!! that's all they said!) there is so much- wikie it- i think it has to do w/ dude's coordinates.
The Cherokee paired Sirius with Antares as a dog-star guardian (shout out to vinnie again showing up in the middle of the woods to lead somebody to something!) of either end of the "Path of Souls".
Sirius is frequently a subject used in science fiction and related popular culture.... American vessels include the USNS Sirius (T-AFS-8) as well as a monoplane model—the Lockheed Sirius, the first of which was flown by Charles Lindbergh. (Lockheed!) "Harry Potter Series",written by J.K Rowling. Sirius Black, Harry's Godfather, is an animagus, an he can shapeshift into a dog. The Silmarillion (1977), novel by J. R. R. Tolkien. Sirius is called Helluin by the Elves and.........back to:
VALIS (the freakin book locke tried to give to fenry!!!!! I really must get back to working as this is too much!)has been described as one node of an artificial satellite network originating from the star Sirius in the Canis Major constellation. According to Dick, the Earth satellite used "pink laser beams" to transfer information and project holograms on Earth and to facilitate communication between an extraterrestrial species and humanity. Dick claimed that VALIS used "disinhibiting stimuli" to communicate, using symbols to trigger recollection of intrinsic knowledge through the loss of amnesia, achieving gnosis. Drawing directly from Platonism and Gnosticism, Dick wrote in his Exegesis: "We appear to be memory coils (DNA carriers capable of experience) in a computer-like thinking system which, although we have correctly recorded and stored thousands of years of experiential information, and each of us possesses somewhat different deposits from all the other life forms, there is a malfunction - a failure - of memory retrieval."
The philosopher Nick Bostrom investigated the possibility that we may be living in a simulation.[1] A simplified version of his argument is:
i. It is possible that a civilization could create a computer simulation which contains individuals with artificial intelligence. ii. Such a civilization would likely run many—say billions—of these simulations (just for fun; for research, etc.) iii. A simulated individual inside the simulation wouldn’t know that it’s inside a simulation—it’s just going about its daily business in what it considers the “real world”. Then the ultimate question is—if one accepts that points 1-2-3 are at least possible, which of the following is more likely?
a. We are the one civilization out there in the universe that will eventually develop the ability to run AI simulations? Or, b. We are one of the billions of simulations that has run? (Remember point iii.) In greater detail, his argument attempts to prove the trichotomy, that:
either intelligent races will never reach a level of technology where they can run simulations of reality so detailed they can be mistaken for reality; or races who do reach such a level do not tend to run such simulations; or we are almost certainly living in such a simulation. Bostrom's argument uses the premise that given sufficiently advanced technology, it is possible to simulate entire inhabited planets or even larger habitats or even entire universes as quantum simulations in time/space pockets, including all the people on them, on a computer, and that simulated people can be fully conscious, and are as much persons as non-simulated people.
If we then assume that the human race could reach such a technological level without destroying themselves in the process (i.e. we deny the first hypothesis); and that once we reached such a level we would still be interested in history, the past, and our ancestors, and that there would be no legal or moral strictures on running such simulations (we deny the second hypothesis)—then
it is likely that we would run a very large number of so-called ancestor simulations; and that, by the same line of reasoning, many of these simulations would in turn run other sub-simulations, and so on; and that given the fact that right now it is impossible to tell whether we are living in one of the vast number of simulations or the original ancestor universe, the likelihood is that the former is true. Assumptions as to whether the human race (or another intelligent species) could reach such a technological level without destroying themselves depend greatly on the value of the Drake equation, which gives the number of intelligent technological species communicating via radio in a galaxy at any given point in time. The expanded equation looks to the number of posthuman civilizations that ever would exist in any given universe. If the average for all universes, real or simulated, is greater than or equal to one such civilization existing in each universe's entire history, then odds are rather overwhelmingly in favor of the proposition that the average civilization is in a simulation, assuming that such simulated universes are possible and such civilizations would want to run such simulations
just a few thoughts from me...y'all have a good weekend!
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everyone check out lostisagame.com!!!! i was telling ali that the whole light vs dark, locke playing walt on the beach (season 1?)what color was he then? tonite he was dark...evil?
"Two players. Two sides. One is light. One is dark." Locke S1E2
also, can anyone comment/ confirm that the lost logo is no longer an image of the island, but a city skyline? i am old-school and don't have tivo....
Locke handed Ben VALIS by Philip K. Dick- look it up!
The Other List: The Sayid episode established that Ben's got this list of bad people that need executing. What can you say about these people?
CUSE: We'll know by the end of the season that there will be two alternative explanations for why Oceanic 815 is in the trench at the bottom of the ocean. It will not be clear which story one should believe. [To be clear, Cuse is saying the mystery of Ben's list is linked to this wreckage.]
LINDELOF: Both stories will be presented and both stories will have legitimate facts presented on their behalves.
CUSE: The act of taking a plane, filling it with dead bodies and putting it at the bottom of the ocean connotes a group that is pretty freakin' powerful. You should be worried about the people involved in either scenario capable of doing something like that.
What was the album cover w/ the hippies (S 1 or 2?)? Does anyone remember? I think the producers are ref'ing to it below!!!!!!!!!:
For the record, is the official lingo here ''the freighter folk''?
LINDELOF: I like ''freighter folk'' because you wonder if there's an album cover out there somewhere with all of them, and they have the Mamas and the Papas outfits on.
CUSE: ''Freighter folk'' is more benign. And they're not the only people on that freighter. You're going to meet some other people on the freighter who have another name, and in contrast to those folks these freighter folk are very...uh, folkish.
Seychelles (pronounced /seɪˈʃɛl/ or /seɪˈʃɛlz/ ["say shells"] in English and IPA: [seʃɛl] in French), officially the Republic of Seychelles (French: République des Seychelles; Creole: Repiblik Sesel), is an archipelago nation of 155 islands in the Indian Ocean, some 1,500 kilometres (930 mi) east of mainland Africa, northeast of the island of Madagascar. Other nearby island countries and territories include Zanzibar to the west, Mauritius and Réunion to the south, Comoros and Mayotte to the southwest, and the Suvadives of the Maldives to the northeast. Seychelles has the smallest population of any sovereign state of Africa.
As of 1992, some ninety percent of the population was Roman Catholic and approximately seven percent Anglican. Although clergy and civil authorities disapprove, many Seychellois see little inconsistency between their orthodox religious observance and belief in magic, witchcraft, and sorcery.
This is my theory on something they said..
"Charlotte Lewis was an obvious reference to C.S. Lewis and an important clue to places we're going at the end of the season.
CARLTON CUSE: And an important clue to Charlotte's own, as-yet-untold important backstory."
CS Lewis, Narnia, Kids in a strange world who go through a portal right?
Dont they go back later as adults?
I think Charlotte Lewis was on the island before as a child, her parents might have been part of Dharma. This explains her interest in Dharma and the island....as well as Miles!
also very important- prod's also mentioned "god of wheat" in an interview for EW mag- very important- google book it (a book, miracles, by cs lewis, um hello!) and read page 184 on!!!!! insane!!!!
Dagon was a major northwest Semitic god, reportedly of grain and agriculture. He was worshipped by the early Amorites and by the inhabitants of the cities of Ebla and Ugarit (which was an ancient city near the Mediterranean containing a large variety of ancient writings and pagan shrines).
In Ugaritic, the root dgn also means grain: in Hebrew dāgān, Samaritan dīgan, is an archaic word for grain (hello wheat!!)
there was mentioned a game- lost magic......read it!
also ref'd was dogon-They have a "twin cult" (2 eggs mentioned tonight?!?!?!): the birth of twins is a sign of good luck. The enlarged Dogon families have cult rituals during which they evoke all their ancestors till their origin, the ancient pair of twins from the creation of the world myth.
According to Robert Temple, the central element of Dogon cosmogony and cosmology is the star Sirius, which they call Po Tolo. This star was the seed of the Milky Way galaxy and is the "navel" of the entire universe. The Dogon describe the universe as "infinite, but measurable", and filled with many yalu ulo, or spiral star systems, including the one containing the Earth's sun. According to the Dogon perception of the universe, most of the universe is part of the "external" star system, while nearer to Earth is the "internal" star system. The stars in the "internal" system include many that they claim affect the lives of people of Earth and play a part in human history, including not only the Sirius star system, but also Orion, Pleiades and others.
An ethnic group that lives near the Dogon, the Bozo, have a similar mythology about Sirius in the sky and refer to it as the "Eye Star".(OH MY GOD!!!!!!!)
Sirius is also known colloquially as the "Dog Star"(um yeah hello Vinnie!), reflecting its prominence in its constellation, Canis Major (English: Big Dog).[15] It is the subject of more mythological and folkloric tales than any other star apart from the sun. The heliacal rising of Sirius marked the flooding of the Nile in Ancient Egypt and the 'Dog Days' of summer for the Ancient Greeks, while to the Polynesians it marked winter and was an important star for navigation around the Pacific Ocean.(I swear too insane!!!!!! remember folks- all from "God of Wheat in an interview!!!!! that's all they said!) there is so much- wikie it- i think it has to do w/ dude's coordinates.
The Cherokee paired Sirius with Antares as a dog-star guardian (shout out to vinnie again showing up in the middle of the woods to lead somebody to something!) of either end of the "Path of Souls".
Sirius is frequently a subject used in science fiction and related popular culture....
American vessels include the USNS Sirius (T-AFS-8) as well as a monoplane model—the Lockheed Sirius, the first of which was flown by Charles Lindbergh. (Lockheed!)
"Harry Potter Series",written by J.K Rowling. Sirius Black, Harry's Godfather, is an animagus, an he can shapeshift into a dog.
The Silmarillion (1977), novel by J. R. R. Tolkien. Sirius is called Helluin by the Elves and.........back to:
VALIS (the freakin book locke tried to give to fenry!!!!! I really must get back to working as this is too much!)has been described as one node of an artificial satellite network originating from the star Sirius in the Canis Major constellation. According to Dick, the Earth satellite used "pink laser beams" to transfer information and project holograms on Earth and to facilitate communication between an extraterrestrial species and humanity. Dick claimed that VALIS used "disinhibiting stimuli" to communicate, using symbols to trigger recollection of intrinsic knowledge through the loss of amnesia, achieving gnosis. Drawing directly from Platonism and Gnosticism, Dick wrote in his Exegesis: "We appear to be memory coils (DNA carriers capable of experience) in a computer-like thinking system which, although we have correctly recorded and stored thousands of years of experiential information, and each of us possesses somewhat different deposits from all the other life forms, there is a malfunction - a failure - of memory retrieval."
Ok....so from Valis, click on "simulated reality:
The philosopher Nick Bostrom investigated the possibility that we may be living in a simulation.[1] A simplified version of his argument is:
i. It is possible that a civilization could create a computer simulation which contains individuals with artificial intelligence.
ii. Such a civilization would likely run many—say billions—of these simulations (just for fun; for research, etc.)
iii. A simulated individual inside the simulation wouldn’t know that it’s inside a simulation—it’s just going about its daily business in what it considers the “real world”.
Then the ultimate question is—if one accepts that points 1-2-3 are at least possible, which of the following is more likely?
a. We are the one civilization out there in the universe that will eventually develop the ability to run AI simulations? Or,
b. We are one of the billions of simulations that has run? (Remember point iii.)
In greater detail, his argument attempts to prove the trichotomy, that:
either
intelligent races will never reach a level of technology where they can run simulations of reality so detailed they can be mistaken for reality; or
races who do reach such a level do not tend to run such simulations; or
we are almost certainly living in such a simulation.
Bostrom's argument uses the premise that given sufficiently advanced technology, it is possible to simulate entire inhabited planets or even larger habitats or even entire universes as quantum simulations in time/space pockets, including all the people on them, on a computer, and that simulated people can be fully conscious, and are as much persons as non-simulated people.
If we then assume that the human race could reach such a technological level without destroying themselves in the process (i.e. we deny the first hypothesis); and that once we reached such a level we would still be interested in history, the past, and our ancestors, and that there would be no legal or moral strictures on running such simulations (we deny the second hypothesis)—then
it is likely that we would run a very large number of so-called ancestor simulations;
and that, by the same line of reasoning, many of these simulations would in turn run other sub-simulations, and so on;
and that given the fact that right now it is impossible to tell whether we are living in one of the vast number of simulations or the original ancestor universe, the likelihood is that the former is true.
Assumptions as to whether the human race (or another intelligent species) could reach such a technological level without destroying themselves depend greatly on the value of the Drake equation, which gives the number of intelligent technological species communicating via radio in a galaxy at any given point in time. The expanded equation looks to the number of posthuman civilizations that ever would exist in any given universe. If the average for all universes, real or simulated, is greater than or equal to one such civilization existing in each universe's entire history, then odds are rather overwhelmingly in favor of the proposition that the average civilization is in a simulation, assuming that such simulated universes are possible and such civilizations would want to run such simulations
just a few thoughts from me...y'all have a good weekend!
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